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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:11 pm    Post subject: A few new tyings Reply with quote

Here's a couple of recent ties.


These are some of the flies to be mounted as a prize in the forum raffle.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice flies Wayne, they'll look excellent mounted Smile

I put on some Bumbles at Thornton at the weekend and had a lot of interest but no hookups. Was good fun pulling them none the less.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think i spotted a Kate Mc Laren in there somewhere .
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:31 pm    Post subject: post subject Reply with quote

Nearly a Kate McLaren, wrong head hackle Razz But there again , it,s not been tied by a scotsman Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry guys but there aint a Kate in there with that lot and not one thats nearly a kate Im afraid.
But they were tied by half a scotsman and half an englishman.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like some winners to me Cool
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sorry guys but there aint a Kate in there with that lot and not one thats nearly a kate Im afraid.
But they were tied by half a scotsman and half an englishman.


Must be the poor photo quality ,I thought one on the top row looked like a Kate,I didn't recognise any of the others .
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NO photo's there, all scanned images.

Has a Kate not got a yellow tag tail, a black body hackle and a red game head hackle?
I dont see any on the top row that even resemble that...
I see one with a claret tag tail , a black over claret body & a claret head hackle. Maybe thats the one you thought was a Kate??
As for the others there is a selection of bumbles, dabblers, Mays & dunns some wont be recognised as they are my own patterns.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wayne wrote:
NO photo's there, all scanned images.

Has a Kate not got a yellow tag tail, a black body hackle and a red game head hackle?
I dont see any on the top row that even resemble that...
I see one with a claret tag tail , a black over claret body & a claret head hackle. Maybe thats the one you thought was a Kate??
As for the others there is a selection of bumbles, dabblers, Mays & dunns some wont be recognised as they are my own patterns.

A Kate McLaren has GP crest tail Wayne ,I didn't notice any Dabblers ,i noticed some resembling straddlebugs/goslings but the scan didn't show them up all that clearly .


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry my mistake a kate is tied with a gp crest as a tail I was getting it mixed with the green tailed kate which as you know uses a green floss tail.

There are 3 dabbler patterns there in the pic, there are many ways to tie a dabbler pattern, each way to get them to perform a different job, these ones are tied sparsley and not in the traditional cloak style. There are 3 examples here of the dabbler pattern http://www.flyforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=16646
a post that you have replied to but you have made no mention of straddlebugs/goslings regarding these dabblers. I notice you only tie your dabblers in one style (of all the pics you have posted here are only in one style anyway), you should try tying them in other ways and try different methods, become a bit more inventive instead of copying patterns from books to the last detail. I must admit the proportions on the 3 I have shown are not entirley correct as traditionaly the wings should be level with the tail but I chose to have a longer tail to give a longer profile to the fly. As for the wing of the dabbler the original was cloaked but not in a full cloak style that is often used today it was just winged with mallard and cloaked only as far as the mid way point of the body, it never extended underneath the body at all as shown in yours and my pics.
I am a tyer that likes to change things, I like to experiment, I dont like to be restricted in my choice of materials and styles by set patterns. i like to explore other possiablities within a certain pattern and tamper and change things to my own likeing. Some say this is wrong, its bastardising good patterns, but how do you you become inventive if you are restricted?? I say enjoy youre fly tying & dont become restricted by the so called traditionalist who knock you at every thing you do, as these are the ones who are restricting the priciples of evolution within fly tying.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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sorry my mistake a kate is tied with a gp crest as a tail I was getting it mixed with the green tailed kate which as you know uses a green floss tail.

There are 3 dabbler patterns there in the pic, there are many ways to tie a dabbler pattern, each way to get them to perform a different job, these ones are tied sparsley and not in the traditional cloak style. There are 3 examples here of the dabbler pattern http://www.flyforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=16646
a post that you have replied to but you have made no mention of straddlebugs/goslings regarding these dabblers. I notice you only tie your dabblers in one style (of all the pics you have posted here are only in one style anyway), you should try tying them in other ways and try different methods, become a bit more inventive instead of copying patterns from books to the last detail. I must admit the proportions on the 3 I have shown are not entirley correct as traditionaly the wings should be level with the tail but I chose to have a longer tail to give a longer profile to the fly. As for the wing of the dabbler the original was cloaked but not in a full cloak style that is often used today it was just winged with mallard and cloaked only as far as the mid way point of the body, it never extended underneath the body at all as shown in yours and my pics.
I am a tyer that likes to change things, I like to experiment, I dont like to be restricted in my choice of materials and styles by set patterns. i like to explore other possiablities within a certain pattern and tamper and change things to my own likeing. Some say this is wrong, its bastardising good patterns, but how do you you become inventive if you are restricted?? I say enjoy youre fly tying & dont become restricted by the so called traditionalist who knock you at every thing you do, as these are the ones who are restricting the priciples of evolution within fly tying.

There is a reason i tie them like that Wayne ,they catch fish on the big loughs that i fish ,Maybe you should try fishing the big loughs sometime its great and will make a pleasant change from small stocked waters .
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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sorry my mistake a kate is tied with a gp crest as a tail I was getting it mixed with the green tailed kate which as you know uses a green floss tail.

There are 3 dabbler patterns there in the pic, there are many ways to tie a dabbler pattern, each way to get them to perform a different job, these ones are tied sparsley and not in the traditional cloak style. There are 3 examples here of the dabbler pattern http://www.flyforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=16646
a post that you have replied to but you have made no mention of straddlebugs/goslings regarding these dabblers. I notice you only tie your dabblers in one style (of all the pics you have posted here are only in one style anyway), you should try tying them in other ways and try different methods, become a bit more inventive instead of copying patterns from books to the last detail. I must admit the proportions on the 3 I have shown are not entirley correct as traditionaly the wings should be level with the tail but I chose to have a longer tail to give a longer profile to the fly. As for the wing of the dabbler the original was cloaked but not in a full cloak style that is often used today it was just winged with mallard and cloaked only as far as the mid way point of the body, it never extended underneath the body at all as shown in yours and my pics.
I am a tyer that likes to change things, I like to experiment, I dont like to be restricted in my choice of materials and styles by set patterns. i like to explore other possiablities within a certain pattern and tamper and change things to my own likeing. Some say this is wrong, its bastardising good patterns, but how do you you become inventive if you are restricted?? I say enjoy youre fly tying & dont become restricted by the so called traditionalist who knock you at every thing you do, as these are the ones who are restricting the priciples of evolution within fly tying.

as the saying goes:- better to keep your mouth shut and appear a fool , as to open your mouth and confirm it .
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wayne wrote:
sorry my mistake a kate is tied with a gp crest as a tail I was getting it mixed with the green tailed kate which as you know uses a green floss tail.

There are 3 dabbler patterns there in the pic, there are many ways to tie a dabbler pattern, each way to get them to perform a different job, these ones are tied sparsley and not in the traditional cloak style. There are 3 examples here of the dabbler pattern http://www.flyforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=16646
a post that you have replied to but you have made no mention of straddlebugs/goslings regarding these dabblers. I notice you only tie your dabblers in one style (of all the pics you have posted here are only in one style anyway), you should try tying them in other ways and try different methods, become a bit more inventive instead of copying patterns from books to the last detail. I must admit the proportions on the 3 I have shown are not entirley correct as traditionaly the wings should be level with the tail but I chose to have a longer tail to give a longer profile to the fly. As for the wing of the dabbler the original was cloaked but not in a full cloak style that is often used today it was just winged with mallard and cloaked only as far as the mid way point of the body, it never extended underneath the body at all as shown in yours and my pics.
I am a tyer that likes to change things, I like to experiment, I dont like to be restricted in my choice of materials and styles by set patterns. i like to explore other possiablities within a certain pattern and tamper and change things to my own likeing. Some say this is wrong, its bastardising good patterns, but how do you you become inventive if you are restricted?? I say enjoy youre fly tying & dont become restricted by the so called traditionalist who knock you at every thing you do, as these are the ones who are restricting the priciples of evolution within fly tying.



I notice that you never use blue jay in any of your bumble patterns, or any others for that matter, any reason?

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There is a reason i tie them like that Wayne ,they catch fish on the big loughs that i fish


Thats exactly what I was saying, you've tied them like that because they work for you , I tie mine differently and they work for me but I also tie them in other ways. Everyone to their own, but is it ok to knock someone just because they do something different from yourself? I personally dont feel it is ok.
As for fishing the loughs, I dont know where you have fished this season, I dont know when you have fished this season & I dont know what flies you have used this season so from that I assume you should not know where I have fished this season, when I have fished this season & know what flies I have used this season. If you do then your a better spy than I think. Laughing


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I notice that you never use blue jay in any of your bumble patterns, or any others for that matter, any reason?
Gerry


Read my post mate that should answer your question instead of just steaming in with belittling comments to satisfy your ego and anger, just in case you missed the point here is a quote from it explaining why (not that I should have to explain)
Wayne wrote:

I am a tyer that likes to change things, I like to experiment, I dont like to be restricted in my choice of materials and styles by set patterns. i like to explore other possiablities within a certain pattern and tamper and change things to my own likeing. Some say this is wrong, its bastardising good patterns, but how do you you become inventive if you are restricted?? I say enjoy youre fly tying & dont become restricted by the so called traditionalist who knock you at every thing you do, as these are the ones who are restricting the priciples of evolution within fly tying.


Now a few questions from me.

When did you 2 become the authorative figures on all things to do with fly tying?

Why is it when I make a post of MY tyings you are both there to jump on me from the great height of your fly tying thrones?

Criticism I can take and take it well, but what you 2 are doing is not even criticism its just plain slagging at all that I do. Ok we have had our differences in the past and will never see eye to eye on anything, but the constant slagging and ramblings to my posts just confirm what others have said to me especially you Gerry.
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Thats exactly what I was saying, you've tied them like that because they work for you , I tie mine differently and they work for me but I also tie them in other ways. Everyone to their own, but is it ok to knock someone just because they do something different from yourself? I personally dont feel it is ok.
As for fishing the loughs, I dont know where you have fished this season, I dont know when you have fished this season & I dont know what flies you have used this season so from that I assume you should not know where I have fished this season, when I have fished this season & know what flies I have used this season. If you do then your a better spy than I think.

That is incorrect you know i have fished Lough Erne regularly as i have posted some pics on the fly forum ,you replied to one of them as i remember .The only place i have heard you mention and post photos of is Straid and that is why i have assumed that is the only place you fish .I don't particularly care where you have fished but please be factual and not fictional when telling on the forum please.
I tie the dabblers in the accepted way by most lough fishers and having seen a few from other anglers and Irish national team members they are all fairly similar and there is a reason for that sunshine Cool
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